tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412012.post421342706508543390..comments2024-02-29T01:15:42.787+08:00Comments on Dream Ink: Indian Muslims condemn "jizya" tax on Pakistan's SikhsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12126007565300598871noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412012.post-49374611307369128492011-07-19T18:20:02.674+08:002011-07-19T18:20:02.674+08:00And please don't get blown away by the followe...And please don't get blown away by the followers and likes of Ali Sina... Because most of these people are not up for face to face debates... They hide behind curtains and <b><i>selectively</i></b> give only that data which can be easily misunderstood by any person who is not aware of minute details... I personally have seen them selectively chopping out portions(which of course were not in their own favour) from online debates and use the doctored debates on their sites.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412012.post-84904569025686845302011-07-19T18:10:19.688+08:002011-07-19T18:10:19.688+08:00@blackmoley: I went through the link - http://www....@blackmoley: I went through the link - http://www.considerationsofacanadianex-muslim.org/<br /><br />it is not so hard to copypaste things from faithfreedom.com ....<br />his basic premise is that "Prophet Mohammads (PBUH)- life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin."<br />Nauzubillah<br /><br />I'll give you some things to read into if you really want to know what Mohammad got and what He gave back....<br />1)The state of the Arab just before Mohammad was born - 1AD-500AD....<br />2)The normal age of marriage and consummation around 500AD. The normal age of puberty for women in 500AD.<br />3)Taxes levied on people during that period..<br /><br />Please read into this and get back to me.. I hope you will....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412012.post-37595467413893945162010-01-10T05:21:33.041+08:002010-01-10T05:21:33.041+08:00Jizya is a barbaric tax forced on non-muslims to f...Jizya is a barbaric tax forced on non-muslims to force them to accept islam... <br /><br />Every other definition for this barbaric tax is just an attempt to portray islam as a tolerant religion...<br /><br />http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/quran/nobelquran/nobe009.html<br /><br />Here is a definition of Jizya from a University under the guradianship of islamic rulers of islamic state Malaysia... which is more reliable than Wiki on islamic matters...<br /><br />Muslims are just trying to portray their religion as a tolerant religion with all these new interpretations... else let them explain what is written in Quran 9:29....Saffronizedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09484787709266919908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412012.post-71151498315531471592009-06-17T17:24:57.136+08:002009-06-17T17:24:57.136+08:00Lets not get into a debate on jizyah. Its a waste ...Lets not get into a debate on jizyah. Its a waste of time talking, when you dont accept what Islam and koran is actually all about.I am very much informed about Islam from my friend who quit Islam as he could no longer lie to himself as to what it teaches. you could learn what he says from his website. good luck i have posted the link below.<br />http://www.considerationsofacanadianex-muslim.org/blackmoleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07481834897487016284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412012.post-45583289341798440822009-06-17T13:48:58.332+08:002009-06-17T13:48:58.332+08:00blackmoley, I know what I am talking about. YOU sh...blackmoley, I know what I am talking about. YOU should stop distorting facts. Read my previous answer carefully. And if you have disagreemets, go and change the wikipedia article and send me the link. Stop using this space for unnecessary debate please.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12126007565300598871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412012.post-58131329546123696592009-06-17T13:26:21.183+08:002009-06-17T13:26:21.183+08:00Your facts about jizyah is a complete distortion o...Your facts about jizyah is a complete distortion of facts. No where it is said Jizya is a tax paid in an Islamic state for exemption from military service by healthy non-Muslim adults who are free to follow their vocations without restriction or fear, and that there is no other tax payable by them after paying this tax, unlike Muslims who have to pay various taxes including Zakat and have to perform military service as well.Read the quran before making up stories. Do read this link line to line http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Jizyahblackmoleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07481834897487016284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412012.post-79675062226952704312009-05-04T15:19:00.000+08:002009-05-04T15:19:00.000+08:00Jay, I am not as certain as you are. You seem to b...Jay, I am not as certain as you are. You seem to be a scholar of Islam or Islamic history?<br /><br />Jizya was not a humiliation tax as you put it. See the acceptable sources such as Britannica and even Wikipaedia for basic info on Jizya.<br /><br />Britannica: "Islamic law made a distinction between two categories of non-Muslim subjects—pagans and dhimmis (“protected peoples,” or “peoples of the book”; i.e., those peoples who based their religious beliefs on sacred texts, such as Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians). The Muslim rulers tolerated the dhimmis and allowed them to practice their religion. In return for protection and as a mark of their submission, the dhimmis were required to pay a special poll tax known as the jizya. The rate of taxation and methods of collection varied greatly from province to province and were greatly influenced by local pre-Islamic customs. In theory the tax money was to be used for charitable purposes and the payment of salaries and pensions. In practice, however, the revenues derived from the jizya were deposited in the private treasuries of the rulers. The Ottomans usually used the proceeds of the jizya to pay their military expenses."<br /><br />Source: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/304125/jizya<br /><br />According to Wikipedia, Quran is not very clear about Jizya. I quote: "The Arabic term jizya appears in verse Qur'an 9:29, but the Qur'an does not specify jizya as a tax per head. According to Paul Heck, the jizya taxation seems to be a developed form of the Sassanian practice of taxation."<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JizyaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12126007565300598871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412012.post-49954387342080237752009-05-04T13:11:00.000+08:002009-05-04T13:11:00.000+08:00Quote: Jizya was payable by non-Muslims only in la...Quote: Jizya was payable by non-Muslims only in lands conquered by Muslims like Egypt, Syria and Iraq but not in unconquered areas like Madina where during the time of the Holy Prophet no Jizya was ever imposed on non-Muslim citizens who enjoyed equal rights and duties under the Constitution of Madina.<br /><br />This is a lie - and stupid.<br />The Quran is clear - all non-Muslims must pay this. It is a "humiliation" tax. The medina covenant was discarted later after Mohammad conquered mecca. It was just to fool non-Muslims.<br /><br />Oh yes, by the way,the "Holy Prophet" raided and plundered non-Muslims and enslaved them. Later he expelled them from Arabia. Muslims don't even know their own writings and history.<br /><br />Indian Muslims should be glad their are in India!Jay Kactuzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00787981505537381330noreply@blogger.com